Posts by cha ching

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Examining The WT Child Abuse Policy

by Vanderhoven7 in

here is a part of a current discussion i am having with a jw.. comments appreciated.. .

vanderhoven said.... reporting child sex abuse allegations is mandatory in many places.

the second witness might be semen or dna evidence...that elders cannot assess but authorities can.

cha ching

Children are precious.

Sex abuse is a crime.

Who will you protect?

By reporting the crime to the authorities/ police (even IF there is no proof) the criminal is getting a rap sheet. Proof is building when others report. The criminal can be 'watched.' The criminal can be caught.

Children can be protected when others 'tell' on the criminal. WT discourages and even intimidates congregation members from even mentioning it to others. Someone who 'tells" can get DF'd or "reproved" for slanderous speech. The criminal doesn't, they keep their mouth shut. (The victim is re-victimized! Go WT! ... NOT!!!)

WT acts outside of governmental judiciary systems. It has it's own "judicial hearing".... right? Why are churches able to act "outside the law" and perform their own investigations?

If WT wants it's "2 witness rule", let them have it... AFTER they have reported the criminal to the police.

Think of the victims first, Watchtower!

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Do you remember when you realised it was all bulls£&t

by moley in

i remember when my faith left me.

i used to enjoy meetings and used to participate but then all of a sudden i was finding myself bored shitless at meetings.

i was taken off the theocratic ministry school for not attending when i was due to give a talk and not long after did something naughty and got disfellowshiped.

cha ching

When I read the Oct & Nov 2011 WT articles on 607. One extra tiny paragraph said (paraphrased) 'There are business tablets with dates on them (moon/ a star/ who is ruling) from the Babylonians for almost every day. If you go by the business tablets, Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BCE"

I thought, "Damn! Why does the Society bring up these stupid stone tablets from hundreds of years later, and say "oh, they are cracked, and can we be sure? and let's go by what the Bible says" when the Bible has NO dates, and the only way you get 'dates' is by using historical items.

Here are these business receipts, day to day receipts from THE DAYS OF THE BABYLONIANS.

607 = wrong

1914 = wrong.

1919 = wrong

Society = a liar and numerologists. They manipulate numbers to say what they want them to say.

I had no loyalty, no love, no nothing left. Everything was black and white. Gone.

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Leaders or liars

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

i was a thriving regular pioneer, doing all thr things wholeheartedly, had 16 bible studies, 7 attending meetings regularly, 11 magazine routes and 100's of rv's.

you can imagine i was always runnin out of literature and always a good list of books to order every month.

(not bragging,just stating facts.all this is wasted anyway).

cha ching

Yes, ZNMD... it takes a while to "get it" because we are so well trained to "wait on Jehovah', right? If that brother is "lying"... that "elder appointed by holy spirit" is "lying", Jehovah will straighten him out. We wouldn't want to "go ahead of the brothers"...

One time, we had an 'elder' steal $20,000 from us in a shady business deal. Someone in the congregation heard our side, heard the "elders" view and called 'bs', and took it to a committee. My husband was an elder too.

Boiling it all down. When we went to the 'judicial meeting' and talked for a while, were sent out of the room, called back in, the 3 elders said, "We spoke with Joe Schmuck, and he said he was sorry"..

Well stupid Joe Schmuck said, "Hey, you didn't talk to me, I didn't say I was sorry" and blew their whole story to hell. I jumped up and said "You lied to us!" then I (can you believe it) showed them WT articles and scriptures on why it's bad/wrong to lie. They just stared at me. Didn't defend themselves, didn't say a word.

Why didn't I call a committee meeting to expose their lying? Why?

Brainwashing.... Plus, I had to "obey my husband" and "follow his lead". Otherwise, I would be an 'unsubmissive wife'.

Why didn't we see it? We were trained over and over about Manassah and killing those babies, sacrificing to Baal, and "would you leave Jehovah for what a man was doing?".... Well, God, he was the king, and you did appoint him... But...... God did take care of it..... eventually."

What a mind bending brain trip they put all of us on! So glad to be out! ;-)

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Should I be with someone who's had lots of pervious partners?

by Jxvi in

thanks for reading (i'm sorry this is a little bit of a sensitive topic, though i'll try to be gentle.).

a little back story.

i have been working so hard to build my faith this year, and i am finally at the point where i am beginning to trust god and i want to build an unbreakable relationship with him.

cha ching

If you think your life is complicated now, just wait until you become a JW. There are many things you will not discover until it's too late. I was 57. I was raised a JW, lived the JW life, studied, preached, gave talks, raised my kids. I knew the religion well.... or so I thought.

Please go to JWfacts.com like suggested. He lists articles from Watchtower's own publications. Simple facts.

Life is only so long, decide what makes you happy. Will the risk of becoming involved be higher than the risk of loosing her? If you do 'get involved' and loose her, will it be worse than never trying?

Only you can say, but something to think about. Good luck!

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giving to jehovah part this week

by road to nowhere in

i love it!!

the brother started by saying we know our donations don't go to the local brothers -- you don't see us wearing gold rings, fancy jewelry (watches?

) wonder if he notices who does?.

cha ching

I hear many JWs do not like to hear this constant begging for money. They are boiling inside.

My husband befriended someone on Facebook, and they told us of a place in U.S. that had saved for an Assembly Hall, had sold an Assemby Hall, and were told by the WT "Just give us all your money from selling it, give us all the money in your bank account and when we think you need one, we'll let you know, and then you can pay us forever and ever.... but you won't have a mortgage, isn't that great?".

This person is still "in", but was pretty mad when expressing themself 'they voted on it (while listening in on the phone) and is saying to themselves "no, no, no, and these people are f'n zombies and they do whatever they are told to do". ..

This is an older person. They see the "deadness", they swear! They are still in, but want out, they just can't believe what their eyes are seeing or ears are hearing!

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My Story

by Kathy1978 in

i was a 3rd generation jw on my mom’s side and both of my parents were jws when i was born.

me and my 3 siblings were raised a bit on the strict side.

no sports, outside association, college, mandatory meeting attendance & service routine, etc.

cha ching

Dear K78, thanks for writing, it's nice to hear the process of thinking that people go thru from 'all in' to 'all out'....

When you said "staying home and being alone" gave you time to think, I really think that is happens to many, and is the beginning for many and that is why WT is constantly stressing meetings, study, service, etc. They want your brain to stay indoctrinated. It really is "brainwashing", and without someone to constantly remind you of your obligations, your beliefs, the brainwashing fades, right? I have heard of missionaries or people who go to 'foreign language' congregations who do not hear the 'rinse, wash, repeat' and it has the same effect on them.

Why did we go over and over and over the same subjects, the same phrases, the same everything that we knew back and forth? To keep us on the hamster wheel, our brains had no chance.

So glad that you made it out, and your husband too! Yay! Especially your children will not have to go thru the brain twists that we had to, they won't have to suffer social harm, they can enjoy 'just being kids.' They can play, sing, write, watch TV, and not feel 'guilty'.

JWfacts is great! I remember when we first "explored" the internet, and came to this apostate site. We already knew the WT was lying (we left upon discovering 607 was a lie, by the hand of their own WTs of 2011!) but still, even joining a site like this is scary at first. haha! Just a bunch of us from the past here. Just the same as you.

Congratulations! I think more and more people are going to 'come out'... kind of like the wall of Berlin. One day there, the next it was gone!

Thx again for tellilng your story!

cha ching!

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Explain Your Avatar

by new boy in

jw
friends

i know this thread has been done before.

however maybe some of the new comers might like to know.. my avatar is the cover of my first novel "your crazy life.

".

cha ching

haha! Me? Well, this cute little avatar was given me by chance, but I love it... It's me! My hair is a lot like this little pic, spikey and wild. I am 'springy' and unpredictable. I have my hand raised in protest, but am quirky. I am one of a kind and 'me.'..... So, I kept my avatar.

cha ching? When I realized the WT was just a money making org, I said "cha ching, cha ching, you ain't gettin' no more of my bling" and cashed out!

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Article: Jehovah's Witness child sex abuse survivor urges examination of NZ church

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108217408/jehovahs-witness-child-sex-abuse-survivor-urges-examination-of-nz-church.

tom hunt18:56, nov 11 2018. it started with movies and bowls, but soon luke hollis was a young boy performing sexual acts on a jehovah's witness man four-times his age.. to hear hollis, now 28 and living in wellington, talk of the ordeal that tormented him for years during his childhood in england, it is remarkable how matter-of-fact he is.. but he is the first to admit he has a vendetta against his former church.. he wants to see jehovah's witnesses held accountable and he wants the church to apologise.

but mostly, he wants it to fully shed its "two witness" rule – a policy he argues makes the church a beacon for child sexual predators.. read more: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108217408/jehovahs-witness-child-sex-abuse-survivor-urges-examination-of-nz-church.

cha ching

Who is John Wills?

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California's Attorney General is investigating Clergy Abuse 2018!

by cha ching in

finally!

people have been working behind the scenes for years to see this opportunity happen!

be a part of this culture change!

cha ching

Finally! People have been working behind the scenes for YEARS to see this opportunity happen! Be a part of this culture change! Spread the word in California, and check your state for similar possibilities.

Do you know anyone who was sexually abused? Please help out and reply to the Department of Justice's request:

https://oag.ca.gov/clergyabuse

"In light of the news surrounding the sexual abuse of children by members of clergy or religious organizations across the country, the Department of Justice is gathering information from the public regarding complaints of this nature in California.

If you believe you have been a victim of sexual abuse or have information regarding incidents of sexual misconduct by clergy members, please fill out our online complaint form. If you would like to provide other information, please email [email protected]."

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A question for you women; what was it really like for you being in the Org?

by Tallon in

hi there folks.. i took a bit of time out from the forum, however i'm back again.. what was it really like for you, your experiences good or bad, etc, in the org?.

if you were granted a listening ear by the gb, what changes would you like to see implemented?.

cha ching

Spiral: My sister says, "the silver sword being sister proof" is to imply that "sisters" are always messing up their bibles (coffee, lipstick, dropping, crumming) (she says they probably got a great deal on the gray covers, and had to make an excuse for it)